Order Glucotrol With No Prescription http://ultraviolet.in/2009/04/24/who-is-the-sleaziest-of-them-all/ A SITE FOR INDIAN FEMINISTS Sun, 05 Feb 2012 10:30:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 Order Glucotrol With No Prescription http://ultraviolet.in/2009/04/24/who-is-the-sleaziest-of-them-all/comment-page-1/#comment-2121 sumana Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:13:38 +0000 http://youngfeminists.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-2121 Apart from te many things that have already been said about the irresponsible journalism, gender stereotypes as in the 'boys from good families do no wrong' kind of thing, I would like to reiterate how the aftermath of any such incident is always worse for the victim and those from her gender- women are asked to stay indoors, to not party late night, to not socialise beyond permissible limits etc. To use an old cliche, I always wonder 'why no one thinks of keeping the men locked indoors since our threat is from them'. Apart from te many things that have already been said about the irresponsible journalism, gender stereotypes as in the ‘boys from good families do no wrong’ kind of thing, I would like to reiterate how the aftermath of any such incident is always worse for the victim and those from her gender- women are asked to stay indoors, to not party late night, to not socialise beyond permissible limits etc. To use an old cliche, I always wonder ‘why no one thinks of keeping the men locked indoors since our threat is from them’.

]]> Order Glucotrol With No Prescription http://ultraviolet.in/2009/04/24/who-is-the-sleaziest-of-them-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1660 anu Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:30:59 +0000 http://youngfeminists.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1660 Never been inside of a police station except for a passport, but I can imagine the numbing experience you speak off. Regarding support for rape victims, as a student I was exposed to an incident of an on-campus rape, we were all given counseling but the most encouraging lesson came from the victim herself. As the rest of us extrapolated on to her experience and convinced ourselves that she would never want to come back to the campus –essentially in our minds we closed her life – but she came back, walked the same road, finished her thesis and to this day remains the single most inspiring person to a whole set of students (men and women). How the support systems helped her I do not know, but it took us sometime before we could look her in the eye and say hi. A lot of crap in our minds got cleaned out during that period which basically acknowledged that the first and immediate support system of friends and colleagues had/have absolutely no clue how to be supportive of a rape victim. When women forever live with the fear of sexual assault, it seems like we are never there in terms of how to deal with it? I don’t have a daughter but boys can be victims too, and I want to be the first one in the knowledge-transfer-process of not just passing on the possibility of getting assaulted but to also prepare them to deal with it, should it happen. My mother taught me preventive strategies –don’t be here or there, after this or that hour, and I think she hoped like a lot of mothers that our powerful instincts to avoid and detect trouble would keep us safe. Which is useful, but I want to be proactive and want to equip myself as the first support system for the daughter or son, God forbid, should it happen. So, for me, I guess it has begin at home, the families will have to bring this thing out in the open and discuss it as a real possibility. From the families one can hope that there will be a spill over effect into other institutions forming contiguous support systems. Sorry about the misspelling :-) Never been inside of a police station except for a passport, but I can imagine the numbing experience you speak off. Regarding support for rape victims, as a student I was exposed to an incident of an on-campus rape, we were all given counseling but the most encouraging lesson came from the victim herself. As the rest of us extrapolated on to her experience and convinced ourselves that she would never want to come back to the campus –essentially in our minds we closed her life – but she came back, walked the same road, finished her thesis and to this day remains the single most inspiring person to a whole set of students (men and women).
How the support systems helped her I do not know, but it took us sometime before we could look her in the eye and say hi. A lot of crap in our minds got cleaned out during that period which basically acknowledged that the first and immediate support system of friends and colleagues had/have absolutely no clue how to be supportive of a rape victim.

When women forever live with the fear of sexual assault, it seems like we are never there in terms of how to deal with it? I don’t have a daughter but boys can be victims too, and I want to be the first one in the knowledge-transfer-process of not just passing on the possibility of getting assaulted but to also prepare them to deal with it, should it happen. My mother taught me preventive strategies –don’t be here or there, after this or that hour, and I think she hoped like a lot of mothers that our powerful instincts to avoid and detect trouble would keep us safe. Which is useful, but I want to be proactive and want to equip myself as the first support system for the daughter or son, God forbid, should it happen. So, for me, I guess it has begin at home, the families will have to bring this thing out in the open and discuss it as a real possibility. From the families one can hope that there will be a spill over effect into other institutions forming contiguous support systems.

Sorry about the misspelling :-)

]]> Order Glucotrol With No Prescription http://ultraviolet.in/2009/04/24/who-is-the-sleaziest-of-them-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1661 iconoplastic Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:23:10 +0000 http://youngfeminists.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1661 Please ignore the grammatical inaccuracies, typing in a moving vehicle has it's disadvantages. Sigh. Please ignore the grammatical inaccuracies, typing in a moving vehicle has it’s disadvantages.
Sigh.

]]> Order Glucotrol With No Prescription http://ultraviolet.in/2009/04/24/who-is-the-sleaziest-of-them-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1662 iconoplastic Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:35:51 +0000 http://youngfeminists.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1662 Btw, I am not an iconoclast but Icon-o-plastic. Or Scherezade. *inserts the mandatory smiley thingie* Btw, I am not an iconoclast but Icon-o-plastic. Or Scherezade.

*inserts the mandatory smiley thingie*

]]> Order Glucotrol With No Prescription http://ultraviolet.in/2009/04/24/who-is-the-sleaziest-of-them-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1663 iconoplastic Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:35:17 +0000 http://youngfeminists.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1663 Nobody is of the opinion that this method of data collection is without its flaws. It's universal. I have faced the same debilitating attitude and process in the US as well. Victims of rape crimes go through the most horrific sort of emotional post mortem and it's niether desirable nor advocated. I have spoken to cops and lawyers at different junctures to identify, comprehend and amend wherever I could. It's a backbreaking process, of course. There are the forensic loopholes you seemingly can't wiggle out of. Medical detailing is necessitated by the virtue of it being key to nailing the perpetrators. Or so it is conveyed. Should it laid so thick? Hardly. On change etcetra - There is something to be said about the environment of a police station that sucks courage ,and assorted companions of it ,right out of the marrow. Sitting in a rickety chair for 6 hours, waiting your turn so you can do a complete mental rehash of the whole incident - not very uplifting. The Revolution disappear in dust, often. Of course, that is not to say that one shouldn't try for it. As long as the debates shape up into something concrete, we probably will get somewhere. Trouble is that most often than not, we have fiery women passionately dissect and analyze the system, recommend reforms and then vanish into thin air. Implementation is where it's at. All the words need to translate into actions. Solidified.The problem is lack of a healthy support system for survivors of rape. That's where we start to build from. Some of us already are. More of us need to get involved. Channels need to be developed to make real this opportunity for change. Nobody is of the opinion that this method of data collection is without its flaws. It’s universal. I have faced the same debilitating attitude and process in the US as well. Victims of rape crimes go through the most horrific sort of emotional post mortem and it’s niether desirable nor advocated. I have spoken to cops and lawyers at different junctures to identify, comprehend and amend wherever I could. It’s a backbreaking process, of course. There are the forensic loopholes you seemingly can’t wiggle out of. Medical detailing is necessitated by the virtue of it being key to nailing the perpetrators. Or so it is conveyed. Should it laid so thick? Hardly.
On change etcetra – There is something to be said about the environment of a police station that sucks courage ,and assorted companions of it ,right out of the marrow. Sitting in a rickety chair for 6 hours, waiting your turn so you can do a complete mental rehash of the whole incident – not very uplifting. The Revolution disappear in dust, often. Of course, that is not to say that one shouldn’t try for it.
As long as the debates shape up into something concrete, we probably will get somewhere. Trouble is that most often than not, we have fiery women passionately dissect and analyze the system, recommend reforms and then vanish into thin air. Implementation is where it’s at.
All the words need to translate into actions. Solidified.The problem is lack of a healthy support system for survivors of rape. That’s where we start to build from. Some of us already are. More of us need to get involved.
Channels need to be developed to make real this opportunity for change.

]]> Order Glucotrol With No Prescription http://ultraviolet.in/2009/04/24/who-is-the-sleaziest-of-them-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1654 anu Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:28:54 +0000 http://youngfeminists.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1654 Iconoclast, agree with your views although I read Isha's comment to mean as sensitizing towards the filing of the FIR process. >>The law demands you write down every little piece of detail pertaining to the crime. >>The FIR made available to the media contains certain details that border on titillating primarily because its demanded that the victim give a shot by shot description of the incident. Why is there an acceptance to this? Isn't this an opportunity to examine, debate and push for reforms towards dignified treatment of rape victims at every stage? (FIR filing, level of detail required, etc) When most of us feel strongly that the victim not be traumatized anymore, why do we live with procedures that extend it? Iconoclast, agree with your views although I read Isha’s comment to mean as sensitizing towards the filing of the FIR process.

>>The law demands you write down every little piece of detail pertaining to the crime.
>>The FIR made available to the media contains certain details that border on titillating primarily because its demanded that the victim give a shot by shot description of the incident.

Why is there an acceptance to this? Isn’t this an opportunity to examine, debate and push for reforms towards dignified treatment of rape victims at every stage? (FIR filing, level of detail required, etc) When most of us feel strongly that the victim not be traumatized anymore, why do we live with procedures that extend it?

]]> Order Glucotrol With No Prescription http://ultraviolet.in/2009/04/24/who-is-the-sleaziest-of-them-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1652 iconoplastic Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:41:40 +0000 http://youngfeminists.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1652 This is a particularly crummy sort of quagmire, isn't it? Sensitizing people about a particular issue is one thing, attempts at brazen publicizing of a particular issue - to sell more copies - is a whole different beast. If you live in Mumbai, go to TISS (or have friends who go to TISS or any other reputed Social Sciences schools) you know very well know who the victim is by now. 6 degrees of separation work in unfortunate ways at times. The FIR made available to the media contains certain details that border on titillating primarily because its demanded that the victim give a shot by shot description of the incident. I have filled FIRs and it's the most soul shattering thing to have done. The law demands you write down every little piece of detail pertaining to the crime. This should NOT have translated into journalists deciding to publish the report in its entirety. I detest censorship, but god! this borders on abusing the privilege of mainstream media. Rape is a horrific crime. There are better ways to instill this bit of information in people's mind than write paragraphs about "pushed up tampons". Not because it's graphic or whattheffinhell if it is, the girl doesn't deserve to have every minute detail of her life splashed in the papers. It's ludicrous to imagine that the only way to get people to understand the bestiality of a soul-sucking act is to stoop to gutless reportage. MM is in the pretty well adjusted to flagrant abuse of its journalistic license. I agree with the fact that this culture of glamorizing rather heinous crimes may dissuade victims from coming forth and registering a complaint. If MM cares that damn much about creating "social awareness" (?) about this issue, how is it that it hasn't asked prominent women lawyers, feminists et al to write for them about this issue. Other than some quack psycho-analysis, all the reports have concentrated on fringe aspects of the crime. Harsher punishments do not equate to lesser crimes. Case in point - any number of sharia dictating countries of the world. Besides, from the FIR reports, one hasn't really chanced upon a previously unknown demographic one wasn't aware of - these were well to do kids with average to good GPAs. I think one needs to dissociate with that much mythic imagery of a slimeball rapist hovering over our collective conscious. Most perpetrators are people you know and occasionally even trust. I have seen it happen around me. To sum it up, if one needs a mediocre rag's sensationalized account to acquaint oneself with an issue as brutal as rape then it is, indeed, a moral (and mental) demise of sorts. This is a particularly crummy sort of quagmire, isn’t it? Sensitizing people about a particular issue is one thing, attempts at brazen publicizing of a particular issue – to sell more copies – is a whole different beast. If you live in Mumbai, go to TISS (or have friends who go to TISS or any other reputed Social Sciences schools) you know very well know who the victim is by now. 6 degrees of separation work in unfortunate ways at times. The FIR made available to the media contains certain details that border on titillating primarily because its demanded that the victim give a shot by shot description of the incident. I have filled FIRs and it’s the most soul shattering thing to have done. The law demands you write down every little piece of detail pertaining to the crime. This should NOT have translated into journalists deciding to publish the report in its entirety. I detest censorship, but god! this borders on abusing the privilege of mainstream media. Rape is a horrific crime. There are better ways to instill this bit of information in people’s mind than write paragraphs about “pushed up tampons”. Not because it’s graphic or whattheffinhell if it is, the girl doesn’t deserve to have every minute detail of her life splashed in the papers.
It’s ludicrous to imagine that the only way to get people to understand the bestiality of a soul-sucking act is to stoop to gutless reportage.
MM is in the pretty well adjusted to flagrant abuse of its journalistic license.
I agree with the fact that this culture of glamorizing rather heinous crimes may dissuade victims from coming forth and registering a complaint. If MM cares that damn much about creating “social awareness” (?) about this issue, how is it that it hasn’t asked prominent women lawyers, feminists et al to write for them about this issue. Other than some quack psycho-analysis, all the reports have concentrated on fringe aspects of the crime.
Harsher punishments do not equate to lesser crimes. Case in point – any number of sharia dictating countries of the world.
Besides, from the FIR reports, one hasn’t really chanced upon a previously unknown demographic one wasn’t aware of – these were well to do kids with average to good GPAs. I think one needs to dissociate with that much mythic imagery of a slimeball rapist hovering over our collective conscious. Most perpetrators are people you know and occasionally even trust. I have seen it happen around me.
To sum it up, if one needs a mediocre rag’s sensationalized account to acquaint oneself with an issue as brutal as rape then it is, indeed, a moral (and mental) demise of sorts.

]]> Order Glucotrol With No Prescription http://ultraviolet.in/2009/04/24/who-is-the-sleaziest-of-them-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1653 Shilpa Phadke Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:58:43 +0000 http://youngfeminists.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1653 hi. I'm not sure the best way to sensitize the public is to publish the FIR in its entirety. And yes the paper certainly broke the law that says they may not in any way divulge the identity of the victim. Besides the FIR is not quite an open public document (http://loudandproudbombay.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/free-speech-and-breach-of-privacy/ ). What such reporting does in addition to jeopardizing the security of the victim is to discourage other women from reporting sexual assaults. Precisely because "one rape affects everyone" we need to be careful about how it is reported and dealt with. Furthermore rather than make punishments harsher (which makes courts ever more reluctant to give them) we should focus on more conviction and better implementation. Feminist lawyer and scholar Flavia Agnes in an important essay she wrote on the decade of legislation for change pointed out very significantly that justice was much better served in the period leading up to the legislation when progressive groups were vigilant than after the laws when people assumed that the law would act to ensure justice. In the final analysis there is no substitute for a vigilant public and an articulate debate. This is the kind of debate many blogs, public discussions and other forums are attempting to foster. Engaging with how the media reports this case is an important part of thinking about how sexual crimes and violence against women should be reported. hi. I’m not sure the best way to sensitize the public is to publish the FIR in its entirety. And yes the paper certainly broke the law that says they may not in any way divulge the identity of the victim. Besides the FIR is not quite an open public document (http://loudandproudbombay.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/free-speech-and-breach-of-privacy/ ).

What such reporting does in addition to jeopardizing the security of the victim is to discourage other women from reporting sexual assaults. Precisely because “one rape affects everyone” we need to be careful about how it is reported and dealt with.

Furthermore rather than make punishments harsher (which makes courts ever more reluctant to give them) we should focus on more conviction and better implementation. Feminist lawyer and scholar Flavia Agnes in an important essay she wrote on the decade of legislation for change pointed out very significantly that justice was much better served in the period leading up to the legislation when progressive groups were vigilant than after the laws when people assumed that the law would act to ensure justice.

In the final analysis there is no substitute for a vigilant public and an articulate debate. This is the kind of debate many blogs, public discussions and other forums are attempting to foster. Engaging with how the media reports this case is an important part of thinking about how sexual crimes and violence against women should be reported.

]]> Order Glucotrol With No Prescription http://ultraviolet.in/2009/04/24/who-is-the-sleaziest-of-them-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1657 Sonya Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:24:37 +0000 http://youngfeminists.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1657 Are we getting a little carried away in bashing the media here? i mean sure it's not perfect..but if Mumbai Mirror should not have been allowed to publish the FIR, how and why were they given full access to it? Did the paper break any kind of law by publishing it? I'm sure no one wanted to read the victim's horrific tale but I think that's partly since we don't want to believe it exists. Even today when I talk to my 20-something friends, they don't realise the implications of the incident. One- Rape affects everyone and it doesn't matter whether you're a TISS college student or a random girl walking down the street. Two- There is no way to identify a rapist. He can be a sleazy man next door or a friend or even your boyfriend and husband. While I think the FIR details could have been censored a little, publishing such reports is the only way to sensitise the otherwise self-centered public to such crimes. People need to know the trauma rape victims go through...otherwise we are going to continue to believe it won't be us next... Lastly, why is no one addressing the issue of punishment for rapists. Why are they running scot free? Why can't we pressurise the government to introduce more stringent laws so that such crimes decrease? Are we getting a little carried away in bashing the media here? i mean sure it’s not perfect..but if Mumbai Mirror should not have been allowed to publish the FIR, how and why were they given full access to it? Did the paper break any kind of law by publishing it?
I’m sure no one wanted to read the victim’s horrific tale but I think that’s partly since we don’t want to believe it exists. Even today when I talk to my 20-something friends, they don’t realise the implications of the incident. One- Rape affects everyone and it doesn’t matter whether you’re a TISS college student or a random girl walking down the street. Two- There is no way to identify a rapist. He can be a sleazy man next door or a friend or even your boyfriend and husband. While I think the FIR details could have been censored a little, publishing such reports is the only way to sensitise the otherwise self-centered public to such crimes. People need to know the trauma rape victims go through…otherwise we are going to continue to believe it won’t be us next…
Lastly, why is no one addressing the issue of punishment for rapists. Why are they running scot free? Why can’t we pressurise the government to introduce more stringent laws so that such crimes decrease?

]]> Order Glucotrol With No Prescription http://ultraviolet.in/2009/04/24/who-is-the-sleaziest-of-them-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1664 Isha Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:11:03 +0000 http://youngfeminists.wordpress.com/?p=680#comment-1664 Primarily where publishing the FIR is concerned, I made sure that I got all my male friends to read it , as a measure of sensitization of the trauma a woman has to go through in that position. The were all visibly shaken having read the FIR in detail. I doubt a regular journalistic report would have done the same Primarily where publishing the FIR is concerned, I made sure that I got all my male friends to read it , as a measure of sensitization of the trauma a woman has to go through in that position.

The were all visibly shaken having read the FIR in detail. I doubt a regular journalistic report would have done the same

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