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		<title>By: Sunita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharanya/Anindita, totally agree, any test needs prior consent. I agree this act is promoting a prejudiced mindset against women, virginity and singledom. 

Assuming people choose to get married this way, my point solely was around what does one need to test when such marriages are being arranged. I do not see any virtue in a virginity test and which again is just for women. An HIV test probably atleast is a health test that makes sense when a marriage of this kind is involved, where trust, love &amp; faith are not factors but &quot;compromise&quot; on either sides just to get the &quot;married&quot; status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharanya/Anindita, totally agree, any test needs prior consent. I agree this act is promoting a prejudiced mindset against women, virginity and singledom. </p>
<p>Assuming people choose to get married this way, my point solely was around what does one need to test when such marriages are being arranged. I do not see any virtue in a virginity test and which again is just for women. An HIV test probably atleast is a health test that makes sense when a marriage of this kind is involved, where trust, love &amp; faith are not factors but &#8220;compromise&#8221; on either sides just to get the &#8220;married&#8221; status.</p>
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		<title>By: Anindita Sengupta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anindita Sengupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you all for the comments. 

Sunitha, as Sharanya points out, all medical tests should require the consent of the people involved. One way of dehumanising people is to treat adults like children or dumb cattle. Just because they are poor doesn&#039;t mean they don&#039;t know what they want / don&#039;t want / are okay with. 

Another good point raised is, of course, the sheer sexism involved in only testing the women. 

Going beyond that, as Priyanka and Apu point out, is what I see as two root evils -- one is their poverty and disenfranchisement which made them vulnerable to this sort of violation, the other is inordinate importance given to marriage in our society (and dowry). The latter while closely linked to economics also goes beyond that. For the poor, it&#039;s a double burden. As Priyanka points out, it&#039;s horrible that the govt is promoting the mindset that a woman must get married at any cost and we are complicit with this -- would the money spend on these mass marriages be better spent in education / employment schemes for these women? Why does marriage have to be so important that even state benefits must revolve around it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all for the comments. </p>
<p>Sunitha, as Sharanya points out, all medical tests should require the consent of the people involved. One way of dehumanising people is to treat adults like children or dumb cattle. Just because they are poor doesn&#8217;t mean they don&#8217;t know what they want / don&#8217;t want / are okay with. </p>
<p>Another good point raised is, of course, the sheer sexism involved in only testing the women. </p>
<p>Going beyond that, as Priyanka and Apu point out, is what I see as two root evils &#8212; one is their poverty and disenfranchisement which made them vulnerable to this sort of violation, the other is inordinate importance given to marriage in our society (and dowry). The latter while closely linked to economics also goes beyond that. For the poor, it&#8217;s a double burden. As Priyanka points out, it&#8217;s horrible that the govt is promoting the mindset that a woman must get married at any cost and we are complicit with this &#8212; would the money spend on these mass marriages be better spent in education / employment schemes for these women? Why does marriage have to be so important that even state benefits must revolve around it?</p>
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		<title>By: Dilnavaz Bamboat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dilnavaz Bamboat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I checked the ToI again today and it says they were pregnancy tests, not virginity ones. The only random reason I can come up with is that some bright spark thought they were protecting the bridegrooms&#039; interests by ensuring families were not trying to offload their already-pregnant daughters on an unsuspecting man and his family. Of course, this could just be my wild conspiracy theory. The act is despicable and must be publicly denounced in the strongest possible manner. An inquiry has been asked for. But how does that change the humiliation and invasion the women had to endure? And how do we change the deeply ingrained belief that a woman must stand up to the test when even mythology appears to support that stance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I checked the ToI again today and it says they were pregnancy tests, not virginity ones. The only random reason I can come up with is that some bright spark thought they were protecting the bridegrooms&#8217; interests by ensuring families were not trying to offload their already-pregnant daughters on an unsuspecting man and his family. Of course, this could just be my wild conspiracy theory. The act is despicable and must be publicly denounced in the strongest possible manner. An inquiry has been asked for. But how does that change the humiliation and invasion the women had to endure? And how do we change the deeply ingrained belief that a woman must stand up to the test when even mythology appears to support that stance?</p>
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		<title>By: Meena Kandasamy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meena Kandasamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised at the sick levels to which the governments can stoop to? 
What next, really? DNA tests on children in case they are going to be given polio drops? Just so that the legitimate, pure ones get the government goodies? 

Even if someone were to be absolutely anti-feminist, anti-women, anti-people-making-their-own-choices, even if someone were dogmatic-fundamentalist-protectionist-male-chauvinist and hymen-fixated and so on, I can&#039;t bring myself to understand how they could approve of &quot;virginity as a prerequisite for marriage&quot; in a country where there has been no history of criminalizing/convicting child sexual abuse. Doesn&#039;t that happen? Doesn&#039;t that destroy what these people are so bothered about protecting? What discourse would they employ to these victims, these women who simply had no choice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised at the sick levels to which the governments can stoop to?<br />
What next, really? DNA tests on children in case they are going to be given polio drops? Just so that the legitimate, pure ones get the government goodies? </p>
<p>Even if someone were to be absolutely anti-feminist, anti-women, anti-people-making-their-own-choices, even if someone were dogmatic-fundamentalist-protectionist-male-chauvinist and hymen-fixated and so on, I can&#8217;t bring myself to understand how they could approve of &#8220;virginity as a prerequisite for marriage&#8221; in a country where there has been no history of criminalizing/convicting child sexual abuse. Doesn&#8217;t that happen? Doesn&#8217;t that destroy what these people are so bothered about protecting? What discourse would they employ to these victims, these women who simply had no choice?</p>
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		<title>By: apu</title>
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		<dc:creator>apu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anu, I&#039;d just been planning to write about this myself...upchuck is the right word! The government is of course denying it and simply calling them health tests, in which case one wonders why the men weren&#039;t tested as well. First of all, governments needing to conduct mass marriages itself is sad, and purely because of dowry as well as the high cost of marriages;  on top of that, to make it conditional! Also wonder if they haven&#039;t heard that hymens break for a variety of reasons... 

plus, wonder if that meant widows too would be disqualified?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anu, I&#8217;d just been planning to write about this myself&#8230;upchuck is the right word! The government is of course denying it and simply calling them health tests, in which case one wonders why the men weren&#8217;t tested as well. First of all, governments needing to conduct mass marriages itself is sad, and purely because of dowry as well as the high cost of marriages;  on top of that, to make it conditional! Also wonder if they haven&#8217;t heard that hymens break for a variety of reasons&#8230; </p>
<p>plus, wonder if that meant widows too would be disqualified?</p>
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		<title>By: sheetal</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i shudder to think of the fate of the women who were not virgins...they&#039;ll become outcasts overnight. as for rape victims/ those who had their hymens broken in accidents or sports injuries, how many people will believe their chastity? what becomes of them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i shudder to think of the fate of the women who were not virgins&#8230;they&#8217;ll become outcasts overnight. as for rape victims/ those who had their hymens broken in accidents or sports injuries, how many people will believe their chastity? what becomes of them?</p>
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		<title>By: sumana</title>
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		<dc:creator>sumana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Takes me back to the 70s and the era of government planned family planning- give the man a radio for cutting his family short!!
There should a big protest against this and not necessarily NCW style- lets see, last time we sent them PINK CHADDIS- can we think of something else this time? 
Wondering about your line on &#039;what could possibly be a compensation to these wome who havebeen so badly conned and humiliated&#039; and thinking (on a different note)as to if ever the society will stop following the notion of marriage as the sole end a woman should serve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Takes me back to the 70s and the era of government planned family planning- give the man a radio for cutting his family short!!<br />
There should a big protest against this and not necessarily NCW style- lets see, last time we sent them PINK CHADDIS- can we think of something else this time?<br />
Wondering about your line on &#8216;what could possibly be a compensation to these wome who havebeen so badly conned and humiliated&#8217; and thinking (on a different note)as to if ever the society will stop following the notion of marriage as the sole end a woman should serve.</p>
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		<title>By: Broom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were the men even ASKED if they were virgins too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were the men even ASKED if they were virgins too?</p>
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		<title>By: Priyanka Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priyanka Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Governments, *all* governments, attach conditions to every hand-out. Which is why a system of independent, foundation-level grant-awarding societies needs to be developed, ones that move away from religious or community affiliations if anti-dowry policy development &amp; outreach is to be carried out successfully.

Horrible story, but believable. It comes down to a basic thought-- Is privacy of the individual respected in India? Perhaps there are pockets in society where it is, but for the most part? 
No, it isn&#039;t. And the more you move away from the Center (which in India is rich, male, upper caste) the more your privacy is infringed upon. Good luck if you&#039;re poor and female then. The scariest part of this story is 

1)that Rs. 6,500/- was worth it, in the end, to the women who agreed to go through with it despite having reservations
2) the disenfranchisement of these women, who are raised to be dependents from birth and thus are at the receiving end of f*cked up strategies from both their community and whichever government agency shows up in their city/town/village. 
2) that the existing social structures in India still allow for things such as &quot;government-aided marriages&quot; and dowry, itself. It&#039;s come to the point where it&#039;s so endemic that we-- the we that write about social issues, the we who follow news articles, that vote intelligently or try to, who volunteer at NGOs and write research papers and present at conferences and we the public, this vast collective-- have chosen to live with it. For the most part. Or at least, as long as dowry cases don&#039;t turn violent. Because it&#039;s exhausting. Because perhaps, there are more important and time-sensitive issues to address, and win small successes within the existing structure. I&#039;m not quite sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Governments, *all* governments, attach conditions to every hand-out. Which is why a system of independent, foundation-level grant-awarding societies needs to be developed, ones that move away from religious or community affiliations if anti-dowry policy development &amp; outreach is to be carried out successfully.</p>
<p>Horrible story, but believable. It comes down to a basic thought&#8211; Is privacy of the individual respected in India? Perhaps there are pockets in society where it is, but for the most part?<br />
No, it isn&#8217;t. And the more you move away from the Center (which in India is rich, male, upper caste) the more your privacy is infringed upon. Good luck if you&#8217;re poor and female then. The scariest part of this story is </p>
<p>1)that Rs. 6,500/- was worth it, in the end, to the women who agreed to go through with it despite having reservations<br />
2) the disenfranchisement of these women, who are raised to be dependents from birth and thus are at the receiving end of f*cked up strategies from both their community and whichever government agency shows up in their city/town/village.<br />
2) that the existing social structures in India still allow for things such as &#8220;government-aided marriages&#8221; and dowry, itself. It&#8217;s come to the point where it&#8217;s so endemic that we&#8211; the we that write about social issues, the we who follow news articles, that vote intelligently or try to, who volunteer at NGOs and write research papers and present at conferences and we the public, this vast collective&#8211; have chosen to live with it. For the most part. Or at least, as long as dowry cases don&#8217;t turn violent. Because it&#8217;s exhausting. Because perhaps, there are more important and time-sensitive issues to address, and win small successes within the existing structure. I&#8217;m not quite sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Aniruddha Barapatre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aniruddha Barapatre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another shameful episode in Indian history. And I am sure apart from being certain questions raised there won&#039;t be any action. What Ms.Sunita have said would have been more apt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another shameful episode in Indian history. And I am sure apart from being certain questions raised there won&#8217;t be any action. What Ms.Sunita have said would have been more apt.</p>
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