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		<title>By: Anindita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anindita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, Shar. Yes, the hushed tones around menstruation, abortion and motherhood annoy me terribly. Why should people expect these feelings / experiences to be the same for all women? I&#039;m glad more women are talking about it elsewhere. In India, we&#039;re quite a way off though, no? We can&#039;t even talk about some of these things in public, let alone choose &lt;i&gt;how&lt;/i&gt; we want to talk about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, Shar. Yes, the hushed tones around menstruation, abortion and motherhood annoy me terribly. Why should people expect these feelings / experiences to be the same for all women? I&#8217;m glad more women are talking about it elsewhere. In India, we&#8217;re quite a way off though, no? We can&#8217;t even talk about some of these things in public, let alone choose <i>how</i> we want to talk about them.</p>
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		<title>By: re-sister</title>
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		<dc:creator>re-sister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. love this blog. First, that was funny with pickles and desi girl. Do trolls really do that? hilarious.

Secondly, to answer your question on how language my experience or expression... I find that my experiences and my capacity to speak about them with words(since I am much more comfortable with intellectual and rational discourse than more creative, word-less expressive modes) are completely inter-related. If I have no words, I seem to erase and render invisible the experience and to others. And it becomes a struggle to even reclaim the memory. 

Let me explain.

I grew up in India, and although I learnt and developed my politics and values through many avenues, after a certain age, I primarily engaged with ideas through English. That too, a narrow, coloniser&#039;s euro-centric English as well as a method of understanding things. This has resulted in me unable to articulate even to myself parts of the my experiences growing up and how they have shaped my identity and politics. 

Again, moving to the North American continent as a young adult, and slowly becoming racialized here has been an experience which I do not yet fully comprehend, largely because I cannot find the words to describe it. In fact, if I hadn&#039;t discovered Audre Lorde, Bell Hooks and other black writers, I would not have even the minimal understanding and vocabulary to make sense of my life here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. love this blog. First, that was funny with pickles and desi girl. Do trolls really do that? hilarious.</p>
<p>Secondly, to answer your question on how language my experience or expression&#8230; I find that my experiences and my capacity to speak about them with words(since I am much more comfortable with intellectual and rational discourse than more creative, word-less expressive modes) are completely inter-related. If I have no words, I seem to erase and render invisible the experience and to others. And it becomes a struggle to even reclaim the memory. </p>
<p>Let me explain.</p>
<p>I grew up in India, and although I learnt and developed my politics and values through many avenues, after a certain age, I primarily engaged with ideas through English. That too, a narrow, coloniser&#8217;s euro-centric English as well as a method of understanding things. This has resulted in me unable to articulate even to myself parts of the my experiences growing up and how they have shaped my identity and politics. </p>
<p>Again, moving to the North American continent as a young adult, and slowly becoming racialized here has been an experience which I do not yet fully comprehend, largely because I cannot find the words to describe it. In fact, if I hadn&#8217;t discovered Audre Lorde, Bell Hooks and other black writers, I would not have even the minimal understanding and vocabulary to make sense of my life here.</p>
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		<title>By: Dilnavaz Bamboat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dilnavaz Bamboat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your line about PMS and cattiness jumped out at me because I wrote a post about it just yesterday. Will put it up here soon. :) 
Semantics that annoy me are the &quot;wearing bangles&quot; remark, usually flung in Hindi/Gujarati, to indicate femininity and hence weakness. And the &quot;She talks too much&quot; comment, even if said fondly, because apparently woman must zip it. My first (and probably only) concern about Penelope Trunk&#039;s miscarriage was for her physical condition, because for a moment I believed it was happening in the board room during the meeting and wondered why she wasn&#039;t seeking medical intervention. I can anticipate (though not entirely understand) pro-lifers going ballistic about an abortion, but a furore over someone&#039;s feelings about their own bodily experience is ridiculous. I&#039;m glad that instead of toeing the line, women have begun to erase it. More power to our feet and voices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your line about PMS and cattiness jumped out at me because I wrote a post about it just yesterday. Will put it up here soon. <img src='http://ultraviolet.in/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Semantics that annoy me are the &#8220;wearing bangles&#8221; remark, usually flung in Hindi/Gujarati, to indicate femininity and hence weakness. And the &#8220;She talks too much&#8221; comment, even if said fondly, because apparently woman must zip it. My first (and probably only) concern about Penelope Trunk&#8217;s miscarriage was for her physical condition, because for a moment I believed it was happening in the board room during the meeting and wondered why she wasn&#8217;t seeking medical intervention. I can anticipate (though not entirely understand) pro-lifers going ballistic about an abortion, but a furore over someone&#8217;s feelings about their own bodily experience is ridiculous. I&#8217;m glad that instead of toeing the line, women have begun to erase it. More power to our feet and voices.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharanya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharanya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desi Girl -- Why do you and Pickles have the exact same email and IP addresses? Those details are visible to the authors of this blog, you know. If you&#039;re looking for some trolling fun, please look elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desi Girl &#8212; Why do you and Pickles have the exact same email and IP addresses? Those details are visible to the authors of this blog, you know. If you&#8217;re looking for some trolling fun, please look elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desi Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sharanya Perhaps...perhaps...but you must admit that your usage of these terms is atypical, and that you don&#039;t situate them in a context where their meanings might be more easily and accurately extracted.  

To use the terms heteronormative or phallocentric with regards to sex is most widely understood to mean, the defining of sexual relations from a male and/or heterosexual standpoint. Your, rather idiosyncratic, take on the matter is to focus on the mechanics of the deed and not the narrative through which that deed is understood. 

To put it plainly, a heteronormative take on sex would be to define it exclusively in terms of sexual relations between a man and a woman. This, unfairly, excludes the gays, the lesbians, sex with beasts, and other abnormal forms of sex. 

Now, if I understand you correctly, and I think I do, a heteronormative take on sexual acts would be to accord primacy to, say, the act of a penis penetrating the vagina. 

What about other sexual acts?, the anti-heteronormative under your definition, asks. What about folks who get off, admittedly absurd, penetrating newspapers with their penises or inserting noses into their vaginas.

The issue is surely about the narrative and not mechanics.

Btw. Lacan would love this discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sharanya Perhaps&#8230;perhaps&#8230;but you must admit that your usage of these terms is atypical, and that you don&#8217;t situate them in a context where their meanings might be more easily and accurately extracted.  </p>
<p>To use the terms heteronormative or phallocentric with regards to sex is most widely understood to mean, the defining of sexual relations from a male and/or heterosexual standpoint. Your, rather idiosyncratic, take on the matter is to focus on the mechanics of the deed and not the narrative through which that deed is understood. </p>
<p>To put it plainly, a heteronormative take on sex would be to define it exclusively in terms of sexual relations between a man and a woman. This, unfairly, excludes the gays, the lesbians, sex with beasts, and other abnormal forms of sex. </p>
<p>Now, if I understand you correctly, and I think I do, a heteronormative take on sexual acts would be to accord primacy to, say, the act of a penis penetrating the vagina. </p>
<p>What about other sexual acts?, the anti-heteronormative under your definition, asks. What about folks who get off, admittedly absurd, penetrating newspapers with their penises or inserting noses into their vaginas.</p>
<p>The issue is surely about the narrative and not mechanics.</p>
<p>Btw. Lacan would love this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Pickles</title>
		<link>http://ultraviolet.in/2009/11/08/storm-in-a-t-cup-the-language-of-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-5075</link>
		<dc:creator>Pickles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sharanya - Thank you, for that explanation. It makes it a bit clearer for me.

@Desi Girl - Thank you also for trying to clear it up for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sharanya &#8211; Thank you, for that explanation. It makes it a bit clearer for me.</p>
<p>@Desi Girl &#8211; Thank you also for trying to clear it up for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharanya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharanya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pickles -- To put it simply, how many acts would you consider &quot;sex&quot;, and how many would you consider &quot;foreplay&quot; or &quot;sexual acts&quot; but not &quot;real sex&quot;? The most narrow definition is that sex is intercourse involving penile penetration of the vagina. But this discounts the sexual behaviours of many people -- and not just gay people, but also those of any orientation who prefer other acts over intercourse for reasons of disability, illness or personal liking. For example, someone who can get off on manual stimulation but not intercourse, or a person paralysed below the waist who performs oral sex on their partner but does not receive (why I said phallocentric -- does sex always have to involve a penis? Think about it). It shouldn&#039;t be up to anyone else to judge how a person&#039;s or couple&#039;s experience of sexuality and pleasure is not &quot;real&quot; or &quot;complete&quot;.

@Penelope -- Thank you so much! I am glad you enjoyed the post, and just as glad you found it -- you should know how much support you have! :)

@Desi Girl -- No, I have explained above concisely what I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pickles &#8212; To put it simply, how many acts would you consider &#8220;sex&#8221;, and how many would you consider &#8220;foreplay&#8221; or &#8220;sexual acts&#8221; but not &#8220;real sex&#8221;? The most narrow definition is that sex is intercourse involving penile penetration of the vagina. But this discounts the sexual behaviours of many people &#8212; and not just gay people, but also those of any orientation who prefer other acts over intercourse for reasons of disability, illness or personal liking. For example, someone who can get off on manual stimulation but not intercourse, or a person paralysed below the waist who performs oral sex on their partner but does not receive (why I said phallocentric &#8212; does sex always have to involve a penis? Think about it). It shouldn&#8217;t be up to anyone else to judge how a person&#8217;s or couple&#8217;s experience of sexuality and pleasure is not &#8220;real&#8221; or &#8220;complete&#8221;.</p>
<p>@Penelope &#8212; Thank you so much! I am glad you enjoyed the post, and just as glad you found it &#8212; you should know how much support you have! <img src='http://ultraviolet.in/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Desi Girl &#8212; No, I have explained above concisely what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desi Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pickles. I believe she means when sexual relations between humans is defined only in terms of sex between a man and a woman and/or a man&#039;s point of view. So something that should be widely defined (i.e. sex) becomes a narrow construct. 

The problem with such narrow definitions is that it excludes the points of view of the lesbians, the gays, the people who like sex with beasts, and other such anomalies. 

So even your question &quot;What other ways are there to define it?&quot; reveals that you can only imagine sex in one possible configuration. When in truth there are millions of configurations. 

Thus, instead of saying &quot;I would like to masturbate my penis&quot; one should use more universal less-loaded language - such as &quot;I would like to masturbate my genital region/or I would like to masturbate my vagina&quot;. 

Or to combat the bias towards heterosexuality in language: instead of saying &quot;I would like to sleep with her&quot; one could say, &quot;I would like to sleep with it.&quot; The second statement is less contentious and more gender neutral.      
  
I hope I&#039;ve helped clear this up for you Pickles! Language usage is very much an indicator of power-relations in a society. One can help in little ways to change unequal power relations by adopting speech like I have suggested above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pickles. I believe she means when sexual relations between humans is defined only in terms of sex between a man and a woman and/or a man&#8217;s point of view. So something that should be widely defined (i.e. sex) becomes a narrow construct. </p>
<p>The problem with such narrow definitions is that it excludes the points of view of the lesbians, the gays, the people who like sex with beasts, and other such anomalies. </p>
<p>So even your question &#8220;What other ways are there to define it?&#8221; reveals that you can only imagine sex in one possible configuration. When in truth there are millions of configurations. </p>
<p>Thus, instead of saying &#8220;I would like to masturbate my penis&#8221; one should use more universal less-loaded language &#8211; such as &#8220;I would like to masturbate my genital region/or I would like to masturbate my vagina&#8221;. </p>
<p>Or to combat the bias towards heterosexuality in language: instead of saying &#8220;I would like to sleep with her&#8221; one could say, &#8220;I would like to sleep with it.&#8221; The second statement is less contentious and more gender neutral.      </p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;ve helped clear this up for you Pickles! Language usage is very much an indicator of power-relations in a society. One can help in little ways to change unequal power relations by adopting speech like I have suggested above.</p>
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		<title>By: Penelope Trunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penelope Trunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love this post. I wish I spent more time discussing language like this. You make me love the blogosphere today :)
Your examples of socially limiting language are great - each made me think of how I subconsciously limit myself. 

Penelope</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this post. I wish I spent more time discussing language like this. You make me love the blogosphere today <img src='http://ultraviolet.in/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Your examples of socially limiting language are great &#8211; each made me think of how I subconsciously limit myself. </p>
<p>Penelope</p>
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		<title>By: Pickles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pickles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;people who define sex in heteronormative or phallocentric terms&quot; - i don&#039;t understand what this means. what other ways are there to define it?

otherwise, very interesting article</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;people who define sex in heteronormative or phallocentric terms&#8221; &#8211; i don&#8217;t understand what this means. what other ways are there to define it?</p>
<p>otherwise, very interesting article</p>
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